Square Peg Round Whole Podcast

The space to discuss diversity and how to embrace our neurodivergent kids at home, at school and in the work place.

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Value the De-valued

This is a long episode but worth every minute of your time! Whilst this episode focuses on education and will be particularly useful to Queenlanders, there's messages, tips and knowledge shared here that is for anyone.

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“...The knowledge I gain via the SquarePegRoundWhole podcast is relevant and actionable. But beyond this, the feeling I gain is one of belonging, reduced bewilderment, and most of all, a sense of optimism for the square pegs in my life and yours.”
Rimmelle Freedman
Member of a neurodivergent family, Advocate for young Australians with ADHD

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Value the De-valued
Lisa Bridle
Episode 12
This is a long episode but worth every minute of your time! Whilst this episode focuses on education and will be particularly useful to Queenlanders, there's messages, tips and knowledge shared here that is for anyone.
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A Mother's Love
Jane Hancock
Episode 11
This episode is a conversation between two loving mums. Lou talks to Jane Hancock, mum to previous guest, Shadia Hancock. It's an honest, and cathartic chat and reflection of times gone by. This episode will give young families hope, support and optimism for the future. It was an absolute pleasure to talk to such a beautiful person and loving mum.
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CPS is coming to Australia! with Dr Ross Greene
Dr Ross Greene
Episode 10
In this episode, Lou and Dr Ross Greene passionately argue in favour of the introduction of CPS (Collaborative Proactive Solutions) in Australian schools. Please write to Education Minister, Sarah Mitchell and request that CPS be introduced to NSW schools: office@mitchell.minister.nsw.gov.au
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I will NEVER Give Up!
Dr David Roy
9
Dr David Roy has lived through the worst trauma possible; knowledge that his son was allegedly abused whilst attending his special school aged 3 years old.
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We Don't Yet Know What we Don't Yet Know, Bridges Learning system with Dr Katrina Martin and Kat Harhai
Kat Harhai
Episode 8
Lou interviews Katrina and Kat from the Bridges Learning System. On the same journey as Lou, moving away from behaviourism and towards neurodiversity affirming practices, these two clever women have created a wonderful curriculum for neurodivergent children.
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Autistic Adjectives and an I CAN Attitude
Chris Varney
Episode 7
Finally the wonderful Chris Varney is on the podcast! Lou and Chris talk about the foundation of the I CAN Network, Chris's life growing up, self acceptance and development of Autistic identity and how he learned that it's more important to be proud of what you CAN do than what you CAN'T!
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Dancing in the Grey with Entrepreneurial Educator, Peter Hutton
Peter Hutton
Episode 6
If this episode doesn't get action, I don't know what will! Peter says teachers should learn to be comfortable "dancing in the grey". Challenge the status quo and find better ways to do things. This is an episode not to be missed. If you want motivation for change, I give you Peter Hutton!
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My Spirited Child, Rebecca Perkins and ADHD Conferences
Rebecca Perkins
Episode 5
Lou and Ash Kuchel will be speaking at the "My Spirited Child" Victoria ADHD Conference and what better way to discuss the excitement than to invite the founder and organiser, Rebecca Perkins on to the podcast!
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The Black and White of Inclusion
Sarah Humphreys
Episode 4
Lou interviews Sarah Humphreys from Inclusive Schools Australia. Sarah has an uncanny way of just making inclusive education to be so black and white and easy to implement.
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Know Better, Do Better with Dr Melanie Heyworth
Dr Melanie Heyworth
Episode 3
Mel shares her experiences from behaviourism to neurodiversity affirming approaches, peaceful parenting, home schooling and the birth of the organisation she founded, Reframing Autism.
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Vapes, Alcohol, Drugs with Paul Dillon
Paul Dillon
Episode 2
With a neurodivergent lens over the whole conversation, Paul and Lou explore the risk taking behaviour of our teens.
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Thriving with ADHD
Lou Brown
Episode 1
Today is a discussion between the two Lous!! Lou Kuchel speaks to Lou Brown about ADHD. When Lou B was a child, she was misunderstood. That led to shame and a poor self image. After discovering her son was ADHD, she realised she's also neurodivergent and that led to a re-birth of sorts
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Neuro-inclusion for the Neuro-distinct
Will Wheeler
Episode 26
Lou and Will discuss Will's lived experience as a young neurodivergent person living with Dyslexia and probable ADHD. Will also explains his organisation, The Neurodiversity Academy, aiming to work with organisations and individuals to achieve "neuroinclusion for the neurodistinct".
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Christina Keeble Consulting
Christina Keeble
Episode 25
Christina Keeble is a complex and authentic neurodivergent educator. She has a deep understanding from personal experience, parenting experience, teaching and psychology. Christina learned early on that non-behaviourist approaches that are neurodiversity affirming is the way to go with Square Pegs.
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The Human Right to Read
Georgina Perry
Episode 24
Lou and George talk about "the human right to read, write and numerate" as George put it. They discuss language and diagnosis of learning disorders, advocacy, reasonable adjustments at school, assistive technologies, myths and more.
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A Special Understanding
Treacy Devlin
Episode 23
This really is "A Special Understanding". It's story of neurodivergent single parenting and all that comes with and it's a story of self discovery and advocacy.
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The Next Frontier: Square Peg Employment with The Neurodivergent Coach.
Samantha Nuttall
Episode 22
Samantha Nuttall is The Neurodivergent Coach and she talks to Lou about life as a neurodivergent mum to two neurodivergent sons and the interesting lightbulb moment she had that led her to develop her business as The Neurodivergent Coach.
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Celebrating Lighthouse teacher Mrs Kindness
Tania Waring
Episode 21
Tania is a lawyer and psychology student. Other accomplishments are her three sons, two of whom are neurodivergent. Mrs Kindness is their "lighthouse" teacher.
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The Queen of Common Sense
Maggie Dent
Episode 20
Lou chats to Australia's national treasure, Maggie Dent! Lou learns that Maggie's key early intuitions led her to a deep understanding for our neurodivergent youth, their strengths, challenges and their need for our support and understanding, especially when they are at school.
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Talking Tourette
Lydia Roberts
Episode 19
This week we are talking Tourette Syndrome. Guest, Lydia is mum to Ruari, a young man living with Tourette Syndrome and ADHD.
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Getting Legal
Laura Cottam
Episode 18
Lou talks to lawyer, Laura Cottam from Australian Centre for Disability Law (ACDL). They talk about disability laws and the importance of understanding those in order to advocate for your Square Peg at school and across all settings.
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Autism is Actually Awesome
Shadia Hancock
Episode 17
Lou and Shadia discuss Shadia's life growing up, their amazing advocate/teacher mum, the progressive and inclusive school that Shadia attended in recent years, Autistic identity, animal therapy, speech pathology, gender identity, mental health and a whole lot more.
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Smiling on the Outside
Episode 16
Zoe is Lou's son's best friend. Zoe is living with mental illness, and like so many others, to look at her and to know her reasonably well, you would never know what’s going on under the surface.
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Brain Body Parenting
Dr Mona Delahooke
Episode 15
Mona and Lou discuss the fundamental messages of Mona's book, Beyond Behaviours, they delve in to COVID induced trauma, school "push out", Mona's thoughts on ODD, PDA, behaviour charts and behaviour management strategies and the importance of respecting the Sensory Systems and mind-shift away from compliance and towards connections and compassion for neurodivergent children.
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Inclusive Education - It's Happening!
Loren Swancutt
Episode 14
Loren Swancutt is a highly experienced inclusive educator and leader who is committed to advancing the realisation of inclusive education within the Australian context.
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Wiradjuri Man
Darcy Brown "Wiradjuri Man"
Episode 13
Lou and Darcy discuss Darcy's colourful, wonderful, uplifting and magical but also traumatic life story.
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Making Sense of Sensory
Carly Coleman
Episode 12
In this episode, Lou and Carly discuss Occupational Therapy and the concept of adapting the environment to suit the needs and preferences of the child.
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The Elephant in the Room
Dr Siobhan Lamb
Episode 11
Dr Siobhan Lamb is the Principal of "Embrace Difference", an Autistic led organisation that both educates and supports the neurodivergent community.
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Tassie Maddi
Dr Maddi Derrick
Episode 10
This week, Lou talks to Maddi about all things ADHD. Dr Maddi Derrick is a psychologist, a parent and has a lived experience of ADHD.
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Twice Exceptional
Melinda Gindy
Episode 9
In this episode, Lou talks to Melinda Gindy about being Gifted and Talented with Disability, also known as Twice Exceptional. Did you know that you can be gifted but also have one or more disabilities?
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Navigating Behaviour School Part 2
Nathalie Steinmetz
Episode 8
Lou talks to Nathalie Steinmetz again but this time they take a deep dive in to school suspensions and behaviour school experiences within Nathalie's "Brady Bunch" family.
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Navigating Behaviour School Part 1
Nathalie Steinmetz
Episode 7
Lou talks to Nathalie Steinmetz about the life of a large, blended and mostly neuordivergent family. They discuss the adjustments that Nathalie makes at home to keep things running smoothly, education experiences, supporting everyone's mental health and why it's so important to have good "neurodiversity literacy" when working with schools to support our kids.
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Doing Before Thinking - Young Adult ADHD
Matt Kuchel
Episode 6
This episode explores the experience of an ADHD diagnosis when you are 18, in your final year of school, during a pandemic! Lou's son Matt has recently been diagnosed with ADHD at a very fragile and difficult time in his life.
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Same Classroom Same Opportunities
Karen Tippett
Episode 5
Lou chats to Karen Tippett from Family Advocacy about inclusive education and the challenges faced by neurodivergent families.
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The Inclusionista Dad
Mark Hunyor
Episode 4
In this episode, Lou talks to Mark Hunyor, a local parent. Mark and his wife have worked very hard to ensure that their son, Luca receives an inclusive education at his local public school.
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Mr D
Simon da Roza
Episode 3
In this episode Lou talks to Simon da Roza, teacher and consultant to families who are experiencing difficulties with their square pegs at school.
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The Perfect Storm
Dr. Siobhan Lamb
Episode 2
In this episode, Lou talks to Dr Siobhan Lamb. Siobhan is the "perfect storm" of neurodivergence and she tells some fascinating facts about her life and growing up different and embracing that difference through to her adult life.
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The Light Bulb
Ash Kuchel
Episode 1
During this episode Lou talks to her husband, Ash about the early years up to present day. They talk about their initial stumbles and the moments that made them "wake up" and realise that their son didn't need to be fixed or changed but that embracing him and treating him with compassion would change everything.
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Introduction Episode
Episode 0
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